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Alf's infamous but probably true quotes 12

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Alf's Infamous but Probably True Quotes 12

This one is themed Absolute Truth vs Relativism : )

1. Its all a matter of opinion, and that opinion is the only opinion that matters.
That's like postmodern's metanarrative, that there are no metanarratives.
2. God's Spirit gently swings our being back to Jesus, the other drives us away using drives.
3. The heart, the driver needs to change to resist being driven. This is only a miracle Jesus can do, by transforming the heart.
4. The noughties are the fight for normality, and the norm at the moment is quite naughty and noughty. Does "normality" actually have any meaning or usefulness, if it is relative to whatever is public consenus, opinion or pattern ? Do we need normality to define community, as we need some sense of synchronised something to commune. But then does community even have any meaning if the things that unify it are somewhat meaningless and relative. Like I have said, a pack of wolves is a community, so is hell a community and now it seems Christians too. And then there is the push for community against individuality, despite the strongest mode of community, which may be our language and maybe culture. We have a oneness through language. But I don't think anyone's in favour of Christian jargon ! Does that make us anti-community. The person who reads scripture might say, language is actually the thing that divides us, the thing that split us at Babel.
5. In a plastic world, it seems everything can be melted and reformed, oooh how Dali ! Question is, is there a "mind mould" that everything reverts to, or are there moulds that we choose, or does the thing keep its plasticity or leak into footprint or unused wombat hole, there sorta by default.

6. Is power relative or is it a trade off with something like love ? A superior human cannot love, because love requires service, unless you consider service something that is superior, but even then, we are all equal in God's eyes, yet rejected for our sin, and saved and accepted in Jesus. Jesus says that the last shall be first, we assume this refers to future things. But it is actually the way He sees it now. The first have a greater responsibility to give away, so they make others equal to them, as they are lower. This is God's economics, also maybe why He ""seems"" to favour the widows, orphans and poor in scripture. For a God, that shows no favouritism, this may mean, that He might do it, to make them equal with the others. God has little time for evolutionary competition, vague imaginary delusions like some future Nirvana, Socialist State or Improvement by destroying others (competitive market forces), all that we work for here, are not really His cup of chai. Just repent of sin He says and come and follow me, your saviour, through my Son. He also transforms us and helps us, if we are sincere and real. We are not destined necessarily, to be who we think we are. With God, a zebra can change its stripes, even morph into a little white sheep, by taking its stripes on Himself. Only then we can have Nirvana, Socialism and even the "Capitalist state" when sin is destroyed in His competition for our love. This is called heaven, now and also then maybe. As such perceptions of the weaker or the powerful are negated by an absolute truth, the will, action and nature of God, expressed in His words.
7. Because of absolute truth, the emergent reality ends up with a clear pattern, sometimes defined by the limits of the system or some hidden coincident will driving it. The absolute truth is the metanarrative of God's will. It follows the pattern of scripture, the cause and effect of each persons life, infused with God's design. Its thinking and nature is described in the bible, it is a personal interaction.
8. We need to turn money into humans and market forces into giving love.
9. Absolute truth and Relativism are both relative and absolute because they exist. The fact they can be known is relative, the fact it exists is truth. Its conceptual reality makes it a truth in the mind of the person, be this some abstraction. This is why we can say that things like murdering a person in the immaterial or virtual maybe the same as in the physical. The heart is revealed maybe in both. Its never been about the act, but the nature behind the act, that the act reveals. We all have a monster inside us that wants to get laser hair removal.
10. If relativism comes from a nature inside the person, its the change of the nature that will alter the person's relative experience and actions. Absolute truth is the realisation that a nature though is not enough, that it needs to be otherised. If relativism negates a possible synchronicity between people, necessary for the social, relativism is then a-social. To say it is social, might be to say that relativism is conformity.

11. There is no such thing as personal relativism, as if, people can exist purely in and from self. But personal relativism seems to be necessary for personal accountability, is seemingly a prerequisite for punishment or reward, and even socialisation, otherwise we would all be the same. Law as such acknowledges that people are different, unfortunately law tries to make them all the same, and now make them serve a system, be that right or wrong, in the person's or even God's mind.

Even to train this thing, reveals the existence of personal relativism that it is there and different, and need to be trained. This is why external absolute truth, is always required to make our relativism, relative too, to another thing. So personal relativism is choice. If there was one perfect truth that we were all programmed with, there would probably be no relativism.

12. The existence of "another," and the choices this affords, might enable the discernment of a creature's "nature." So relativism might be necessary to know a person. Personal relativism as absolutely personal, is false though, as nothing is truly new, especially in a material sense, and sadly most things are appropriation, or derivative. "New" though is relative, while everything is a permutation of "matter" or "spirit" and its phenomena, there is something new for us in it, which is relative. For God though, there might be nothing new, at least in our solar system. Solomon puts it, "there's nothing new under the sun."

But even then, there is a scripture that says, "I will do new thing on earth, a woman will surround a man." Which I see as a mystical picture of us the bride and God and Israel and God. God can certainly infuse something new, for Him there is a changed pattern, even a law of nature, or earlier scripture, that God must be above, is broken, that a new paradigmatic law/principle in heaven and earth is formed. Jesus says as much. "A new command I give unto you, that you love one another, as I have loved you." To be above, is made, to be with, and even then, to serve as under, for their sake, this is what Jesus did. The outcome of this nature and being is that it/He is or deserves to be glorified in it, as God's perfect loving "relativism" pays for our relativism, which sees us reject Him. It also transforms our relativism to be Jesusism, through the Holy Spirit. A heart made new will thank Jesus for what He has done; a heart that believes.

13. Is there absolute truth and absolute falsity for that matter ? Yes because there is fact that is testable, no because that fact is in itself and its test, is relative and relevant to a believer or observer and their thinking framework which is unique in their situation and state at a given time. This thinking is required, when we say, for example, they believe in the devil, but another believes in God. Remember in a flexible universe, dictated by the will of God, in "His relativism" maybe, the laws can be changed, even of this thing we have designed called "science." In a sense, God's relativism- maybe His flexible will, is the "absolute truth." Fortuantely it is fairly simple and has a purpose, to create shalom or peace between God and people and through this each other.

14. Absolute Truth. Malachi 3:6, I am the Lord I do not change. This shows that God is always in charge, Lord means King or the ruler over. What might it mean that God doesn't change ? Another scripture, Hebrews 13:8 says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Jesus also said, that He has not come to abolish the law, but not the last point would change. The scripture also says, that the law would be fulfilled in His person. The way to better understand such "absolute truths," is the purpose of all these things and authority. The bible says that all authority in heaven and earth has been given to Jesus.

I will argue that God definitely can change His mind as any sentient being can choose, decide, their "self control." His mind and choice has absolute authority and will be done, in earth as it is in heaven. Law can be understood as having purpose, in the sense that, Jesus sums it up in love and a nature essentially demonstrated by Him. God's-Jesus' law is about love. And love is about a heart and consequent actions that enables true peace with God and man, that we can live together. Obviously if you don't love someone, you cannot have true peace with them, despite the charade. Diplomatic concessions are not true love. And as such, politeness, plurality, people-pleasing or even dignity are not love. Love is the desire to be at peace with another and the actions related to this. All law and absolutism or truth, must be interpreted in the light of the vision for and from God- this state of Shalom, that God wants with us, and between our kind. He does not want to strive with us. He wants, so much to be at peace with us. I believe this is what He means when He says, "Be perfect as I am perfect."

While sin is there, this cannot happen, why love is a dream, and ideal, that we aspire to with God's help each day. And love is than action or the heart, its wanting people and wanting to be at peace with people. Something that cannot exist when people think they are superior, authority, elect and more gifted than others, depending on their pride and glory. These things, like knowledge, puff up, love though builds up. For a person to be built up, is to be in Christ, the old has to die, to be broken, to be repented (changed) from, for the new to come. As Jesus put it, you don't pour new wine into old wineskins.

The absolute truth from a christian perspective, might be, what the will of God is, manifest in human experience, seen in what He has done and is doing, including His revelation, in scripture, Jesus and through the Spirit, who glorifies and testifies to Jesus Christ in the believer's whole being. While it is human experience, relativism is negated by one God, synchronising people through the one Spirit and the one message. The natural outcome of this message is that God is glorified and that we turn to Him, to know and love Him, what might be called mutual empathy. And until the end, the Christian will moan, from the pretense, from the rejection, from the imperfect state of affairs that makes us need more, need to know and see the face of God, the perfect, the perfect lover, what seems so distant yet so present, as we empathise with His moaning and sadness with the world.

15. Relativism is always synchronicity with something, such that relativism is community. The 80s and 90s, were never about individuality or independence. They were about following the crowd, a community mentality. When following the crowd, becomes originality, you start realising why some people don't understand creativity and art, especially when they were immersed in this myth. The way to discern this, is to look at what the person values, and where this culture came from and how they conform to it. Then notice how they think that they are unique to be here, then see how they live by fear of losing it, or competition, in the need for esteem and acceptance, and to live up to this pseudo image. The mess of their life is usually expressed somewhere else.

16. How can two men walk together if they be disagreed is a curious scripture. Arguments are common in scripture, churches and relationships. It requires something people are passionate about and usually a sense of something not being true to spark. Emotion is one of those interesting things that is quite relative to the person. We have different ones, moods, moments, feelings of pain and anguish, sadness and pain. Anxiety is common too. These affect a lot of things, sometimes our thinking and reasoning as well. Personalities can been typed on a sortof emotional basis, we have phlegmatic, sanguine, melancholic and choleric types, all considered really common. There is no such thing as one normal or acceptable type. So we can be relativistic, in the sense that our unique emotional states, mediate how we think, act and are at times. With this, a woman's thinking is different to a male's thinking.

So does uniqueness then, mean that we cannot walk together, with people or God, in peace and oneness if we disagree ? This would depend on the type of uniqueness. The bible speaks of believers and unbelievers not being yoked (bound/locked) together. Unfortunately in our churches, we have believers that don't hold to Jesus teaching, though they do not practice it, despite claiming they are His. It is seen in authority groupings and superior ministry groups, in the marginalisation of people, by those claiming to stand for he;ping the marginalised. This is a great evil. It is also seen in people, who go for position and base their security and sense of self in this. Its also seen in people who create programs to ensure they have their own little kingdom in a church. These works are usually unfruitful, though people see the big show business and parade.

Churches generally do not follow absolute truth, the will and even flexible will of God. They are generally human institutions that follow a leader, placed as some figure head for God, some cool charming popular character. While their relativism should be to God, it is usually to appeasing society and people's tastes. And usually this to a small few. The bias usually follows, from the rich and successful, to the cool and with it, to the subversive youth rebels, to the happy go luckys, to the shabbily dressed chilled out crew. There's little place for anybody else, who are treated and talked about, as least in the church. The outcast.

17. Absolute truth cannot be interpretation, yet everyone interprets what they consider absolute truth. This is because for sincere meaning to happen, personal interpretation is necessary. To make something personal. Everything is experience and this experience is continual interpretation of what is perceived and conceived. The Christian believes that what goes into a person's mind is filled with all sorts of influences and forces behind it, also that there are internal forces working strongly on these things too. So what comes to consciousness, what is the "now experience," is partly the sum of unconscious decisions, based in habit and a centricity of the all, to love and please God, which mediates all, and ideally to be content with that.

18. In society, we rationalise truth, to be the consensus of experts, yet this technique clearly reveals bias. A community of expertise, tends not to critique itself, unless in competition or in individual integrity. Bias is present, when there are close political connections and united aims. This can create mis-truths and reduce objectivity, meaning and the development, or discovery of the better. Sometimes it can forward an area. But even here is a problem. "an area," means that there is an innate bias in itself. Can the world be delineated inflexibly like this ? Sometimes we find new areas emerge, from older traditional categories, as the old one's lose their relevance.

19. Relativism while real and normative, is emphasised usually because of the push of someone else's relativism. In essence, the notion of relativism, its emphasis and acceptance, is usually to justify one's self. The effect though is to create absolute truth of the current state of a person's relativism. So the person imagines this to be their perspective continually as them. Off course relativism will say that they can change this at any time and that is "their relativism," but this in a sense is a program to not believe that one is following an external truth, as if they are originating what they believe. This personal "internalised external," might be a false permanence, a delusion. An absolutism created by relativism as external absolutism. In this form relativism can be understood as a faith or religion, with God as whatever is relative. It is internalised prime reality of the person. This is clear, because the term relativism was introduced and invented, and hence is artificial. Its acceptance, is a synchronising with an external absolute and internalising this as absolute truth.

20. Choices can be illusory, in a society, where infusion of the norms, fashions and pressures are evident. One such pattern is relativism and pluralism being normalised. Some consider this a natural consequence of an increasingly multicultural society. The infusion of something, without thought or scrutiny though, is likened to social programming and an underlying covert manipulation. To control one by stealth or hidden means, is dangerous. It means that a person's self control, can be bypassed and the person made to follow and act, without their volition, or illusion of personal choice and personal view. Learned helplessness is such a phenomena, where a person's repeated experiences of rejection or other experience, places them in a pattern of no hope, that there is no hope. This can be understood as a type of social control by diffusion. Such diffusion, in my opinion is a key indicator of an immoral society, that has lost care or value for humanity and the image of God in them. Its innate values are lost. Recently it has been reflected in the attitude of someone, who told me to take responsibility for things done against me, outside my control and false at that. Such an attitude can create psychological states, suicide and hopelessness, which are common in our society. This person should not counsel others as they do not understand the consequences of their beliefs, which are at best a-moral, certainly not the love and justice of God. God has little time for human law that is unjust and oppresses people unnecessarily or wrongly, it is not endorsed by Him, as some legalists claim. These legalists endorse sin. The question is what social things interact with the person covertly, to create such situations. Sometimes it is catchphrases, like, whatever makes you feel happy. This is a purely hedonistic way to understand the world.

21. Self questioning can create an existentialist state. Where the base of one's reality is challenged. The bible says to examine one's self, to see whether one is in the faith. This involves an external referent, maybe one that's understood and an ability to separate one's will (the way this manifests) from what one seems to be internally. The ability to have such a separation in self is clear when we look at things in our minds and explore worlds created in dreams and imagination that we can inhabit and experience other than ourselves. Such ability might reveal the soul as separate from the body. It may also reveal the ability to internalise the external world, or create imaginary worlds. This seems right, when you interact with things in the real world. This is one of the strategies in mindfulness and the ability to isolate the physical manifestation of stressful thoughts and visualise these away. Memory itself seems to be part of this "second internal world." Self might then be considered a thing that is choosing and experiencing together. Some people have a problem with a divided self, saying dualism is impossible for personhood, arguing that the Apostle Paul, was wrong about the fight between the human nature and spirit nature.

22. What is known and can be known ? What is unknown and cannot be known ? What is unknown that can be known ?

23. When a person is programmed by diffusion, then exposed to an external truth, which aligns with that diffused belief system or program, the person may imagine that this is what they have always believed. In the person who is alienated or feels rejected, an external absolute option, that makes them seem accepted, or accepts their seemingly unique view, might seem a welcome relief. This, if they don't have an internal drive for truth. If the drive for truth is present, they may question the external, even to the point of denying it all together. Here relativism, can be either a convenience, or an inner self reflection. Sometimes this can be programmed by parents. For example, when I was young, I was taught to question everything, so this has been a key behaviour of mine since childhood, it has also taught me to discern things. For others, their parents are their absolute source of truth.

24. A legalist thinks that law is absolute and forever. Wheras Colossian 2:14-17 might indicate that the written law ended, crucified to the cross. The legalist thinks in their relativism, that works make one better in God's sight. But this is not a Christian perspective. Rules or works, that no body fulfills is actually the thing that condemns a person. Only God can fix this. It is the heart of repentance and brokenness that God will not despise. Not some confident self-righteous person. Righteousness has always required dependence on the mercy of God. Romans 2:14 though says that the Gentiles (non-Jews and maybe non-Christians), if they did what the law requires, by instinct or nature, are a law to themselves.

25. Relativism is often just the power of a person manipulating others to their perspective. A relativist is a preacher of the religion of themself. If this was truly relative to them though, they would be very lonely. What the active relativist usually does, is to group up with people who will support them, despite what they think, bouncing back things like, "whatever makes you happy." This takes away any sense of accountability or responsibility, for their own emotions or behaviour. This is socially reinforced relativism. It is such patterns that erode the moral and spiritual fabric of a society, why people are treated with unjustice, prejudice and false perception frames over them. Such groupings serve themselves and some agenda of the individual and the group. This is a relativistic agenda, often claiming some superior knowledge and authority, usually an egotystical power trip. It breeds lies and tries to block a person's access to God and equality. This might be likened to Phariseicalism. The battle of Jesus, might be framed as a battle of relativisms, where Jesus by serving, creates a paradigm shift in Israel, explaining and reforming all their relativisms, to the truth in their sources, which referred to Him, Jesus Christ, who Christians and Israel are relative to. Psalm 118:8 says, "it is better to take refuge in the Lord, than to trust in a man."

26. Boundaries are a way to reinforce one's selfish relativist conception of reality and is a poor excuse for self control. Boundaries say that a person is individualist and lives to serve self. It is anti-social and does not solve the problem of abuse, because the offending person is still in the community. Boundaries should not be applied, just because one feels abused, uncomfortable, unhappy or challenged. These things can come from low self esteem, or a victim mentality, even a person being propped up falsely, by another against someone, or for some other gain. This might be the cause of much divorce I suspect. Boundaries also create an inflexibility in one's perception/conception, such that a state of judgmentalism is reinforced according to one's relativism. This disallows argument or debate, such that a person cannot grow spiritually, in thought or being, but maintains their self-obsessed relativistic view of the world, which they protect with boundaries. The Christian though, places a premium on the power of Christ over anything. Forgiveness, for example, has the power to correct and transform a forgiven person, such that a temperament or tendency, or evil can be changed or reversed. While we are to protect ourselves- "don't throw your pearls to pigs," despite the "turn the other cheek" idea which seems opposite to boundaries, there is a need to not label a person (as boundaries does) because each person is made in the image of God, broken by sin. Off course, when true abuse is apparent, where a person is reduced either by social means or personal oppression, one must protect the self, and it may do little good for the abuser, to grow, except to abuse more. If a psychological abuser manipulates the mind of another, to use them in a destructive way, eg. sexual control or dominance, it is good practice to remove oneself from the situation, because the mind is vulnerable, and one can lose control of self. A Christian though, must never use love as a manipulation ploy, because love post Jesus' cross and before, IS conditional on our love and forgiveness of others, given that He loved us despite the way we treat Him and He was treated.

27. Saying no, with a good reason, is better than saying no because I don't want to, is better. One emphasises the reasoning and value, the other emphasises the relativism, the selfish element. In life, we need to be able to do things, that are not comfortable for us. The bible says, what is to be gained by loving someone who loves you. It is in loving your enemy that true love finds its greatest manifestation and also reward. Jesus did it as much, loving us when we were still sinners, despite the abuse, hatred and persecution we often show to God.

28. Dematerialisation, convenience and credit (debt) cards, all add to a promotion of gratification, and de-personalisation. Having everything quickly, can make interpersonal relationships difficult.the computer wrecking your back, may add to socialisation with physiotherapists and chiropractors later on, but before then, these can de-humanise. This is because it feeds a person's relativism and sense of control, by reinforcing gratification. It is a subtle way, that a person is trained to be in control, or together against proper human interaction. Moneyism, is the other culprit. Everything is reduced to money and the person then comes second. While business and marketing claim to be serving the person, in a money paradigm, what these do is actually make people serve "economy." If something can't gain someone's cash, there seems to be no point to it. In Australia, people give generously, what they miss is that the paradigm they live to, is reinforcing the problem, that they supposedly are donating to fix. This is particularly true of the types of people running them, who will suppress others as inferior and alienate them for their glory, position and power. Then claim to be helping and have a big heart for them. Instead of solving the problem, they think, like some messiah, that they are a solution or light. When Jesus has already given the answers, these start a showy program. The problem again is relativism, one preaches that I am superior to another and promotes their group of friends and agendas. The other promotes Christ's and His will. If a person has a heart of love created by relativism to God's Spirit and hence life, then the person will naturally care for the peace with those around, by knocking down the barriers to that peace and being peace, by loving people impartially. Their conscience would not allow them to be otherwise, this can be distorted by people saying that a person is better than another. Another version of this is "You are your job," where a person is valued for their money, status or position, or even supposed responsibility. All point to a dehumanising of the person under artificial things.

29. Pragmatics of relativism and truth ? The state of the earth is always an emergent mix of relativistic and absolute "truths." As for absolute truth, Platonic permanent ideals are currently out of vogue, though there was rumour that the chaos of chaotic society would see a return to absolute truth. People are generally told we are not allowed to speak in absolutes, that there is a lot of grey. The state does matter, because it might be the sum of who and what we are. God does view us as individuals that are accountable personally to Him, yet at the same time, events like the flood show that God can and does view the earth as a whole as well, that His universal truth apply to all. This is not so much law, as people on the earth before the flood in Genesis may have not known or believed this truth. It is actually that what God wants is what counts and matters. Be this law, be this Jesus, be this change, be this the destruction or salvation of things. Fortunately His love stands in the breach of His power and pain, that can wipe us all out with a breath. It is this, that is God's sovereignty, that He can and will have His way. While some claim that God predestines all, as He surely can and might. Even the Lord's prayer, asks that His will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. This implies that it is currently not in this state and its actions; is another way to understand SIN. It is a prayer, calling on God to have His way on earth, and an expression of our desire for this.

God's sovereignty is why we should have real fear of God, in reverence and being scared, not because of religion, but because of His Absolute Power. If absolute truth is His will, then it makes sense, that we should follow Him, choose Him, and aim for Him. Because it is His relativism that is Absolute Truth. He is The Power over truth. This can be negotiated with, seen in prayers in scripture for His personal action in our lives and the bigger world. God acts. There are many examples of appeals for God's mercy, even mediation through a person representing God, like a prophet or priest in the Jewish system. Jesus worked as God's representative, with the authority and will of His Father, is such a negotiation, love incarnate for the souls of people.

30. God's Relativism is Absolute Truth !

31. Dropping your guard ? Ephesians 6

32. The thinker with integrity is a wild person, untethered or tamed like a gentleman-woman-beast in a cage. The thinker stands behind, beyond relativism, to question what they are and what is. They are a questioning child, searching, trying seeking, groping for truth, till they crash into the foot of the cross, and ask why Jesus bleeds.

33. Growth requires that one's state is not permanent, but changes and can change. Relativism though implies a premature permanence of personality, behaviour and belief. Relativism can then stunt growth, but might be necessary for healthy identity development, as part of the bigger process of growth. Relativism must cooperate with searching, experiencing freshly. Can a relativist have a journey ?

34. Individualism, if it means the pursuit of and for self, is the opposite of love. Community, if it means the pursuit of and for itself, is also the opposite of love.

35. Relativism is evident, when a person, by their traits, can be labelled only one way. Absolute truth is evident, when there is only one way, be that forward.

36. Facts vs truth is like Perception v relativism.

37. Who are you, what are you and why are you, might be the key questions of both relativism and absolute truth. While these seem self obsessed, one cannot serve meaningfully, without answering this. To have unity, synchronicity or community, still requires such self understanding. For the Christian this might take two forms. Loving another as you love yourself (other is predicated by self), alternatively, we can love others as Christ has loved us (the model). This shows that both internal and external referents are useful. That self has meaning in union and vv.

The distortion of this in the contemporary, is when people say, look after yourself before you look after others. This promotes a relativistic view of self. Pushing relativism from self and also from the other's relativism. The assumption might be that one does not already love one's self. The scripture says this means to provide basic needs for, to sustain one's self- food, drink etc. Might be likened to a Maslow's hierarchy of needs view, yet even this is individualistic, when considering it as a process of priorities of self, that one needs to do the base needs before one can progress, self, is still the centre. The inverted Maslow's hierarchy pyramid argues that the point is not self actualisation, but to transcend one's self. This is Adair's idea.

There seems to be a paradox though. Isn't it when people are most needy that they transcend themselves and even seek God ? Isn't this why Israel was disciplined by God ? So much salvation talk in scripture is for the poor. Maybe an understanding that if you think you're there, you actually don't have room for God. One actually needs to be desperate or needy to want God.

Relativism might suggest that a person can be self sufficient, that their relativism is enough, that they define their own reality and that God is some abstract, external or impersonal force, detached and disjointed, not sovereign over self or the universe. This might be seen as an attempt for the person to rule self and others by self perception/conception. Where is the Lordship (who's in control- in charge) ? The bible says we are not our own, that we were bought for a price- the blood of Jesus !

38. It is in the failure, or breakdown of a system, that it becomes opaque, after being transparent in action, over many years. While such mortality can raise us to seek the higher things within and "above," what we do in our worldy Goddom is say that our own creations supercede us, as if we are redundant or below things like robots, that might think and work better, we imagine. This reveals that in our relativism, we actually devalue self and choose relativism to our creations, maybe even more than self. Even in this creation and relativism, we might reveal something of ourselves. That like our own relativism over God's. we reflect this by trying to make the relativism of our creations, superior to ours, as if drawing a picture in our society, of the state of our relationship with God. Absolute truth might then be some embodiment, God's thought's drawn in our own lives, The Word became flesh and manifests in our lives too. And in this two relativistic truths emerge, that we are stuck to oppress our creator, like our own creations might oppress us. Or to reverse this and let the creator be valued and desired by the creation. The plus is, if the bible is true, the creator does value us. Such a dilemma is a person's "absolute truth." The actual reality in this scenario, might be Absolute Truth.

39. Absolute truth, only has meaning when it helps in knowing God. Facts, truth, integrity have little value without a relationship with God. Yet the scripture sees these as often being a precondition of a relationship with God. Sincerity and truth are what You (God) require... Love rejoices in the truth, is not puffed up. It is often in our self deceit that we cut off the possibility of knowing God, The Absolute Truth is not necessarily knowledge or facts, while truthfulness is seen as very important in scripture, from the stoning of false prophets who misrepresent God, to the law, which speaks of no bearing false witness, the Truth that matters is that about the nature, work and relationship of our God with us (the emmanuel) Jesus.

40. Absolute Truth can be relativistic in the need for absolute truth. The concept of absolute truth in its self as necessary might reveal a person's relativism, in their need for absolute truth. While they seem to be at odds, the need for absolute truth is still personal. Even the opinion that it exists external to self is personal. Yet while this is personal, it is understood that the existence of personal things is usually the internalisation of the external anyway, so what seems personally relative, is essentially relative to something external to the self. This notion suggests that an external absolute truth can exist outside the self, so a personal reality can be an external reality too. This is clear in scripture which points to internalising things, being grace, light, etc... the embodiment of external things. While this seems so common sense it is overlooked. There is a false distinction conceptually, which has been created between what is personal and external, what is communal and individual. It gets more interesting in "oneness" theology, where even reformed rationalists like John Calvin, call our relationship with Jesus, a mystical union, or "unio mystica," against those who say Calvin was a-mystical, that two things distinct and separate and even different can be one.

41. When Christians speak of relativism, they are usually referring to people following wrong ideas and justifying them with some, "I can believe whatever I want to." And off course they are right, in their minds, God's made it a free world in this way at least. The Christian though will argue form scripture (hopefully) that the world and this relativism is wrong, a lie, or at least will explain what Jesus said and the bible says. Recently Christians have been bagging out individualistic society, and I have been trying to correct them, because it is a lie that society has ever been individualistic, the way they understand it. Yes, people can be self seeking, yet Christianity is also such, it seeks a transformation of self, through the gospel and to be saved, a very sane, personal choice in the light of eternity. The natural outworking of this is love. If this love, is community or togetherness then these things are good. But if community and togetherness mean cool, in club, great programs and people distracted from Jesus, and this means acceptance, then you might be sending people to hell, with idolatrous show. Is it ok to have fad novelty, to get people in and display yourself to the world ? Yes its ok, if they get a touch of the Spirit and Jesus' gospel. Its not ok, if the people doing it think They are the light to the world, they might suffer from some messiah complex, common in ministry, where people have to promote self or get self promoted, as some special leader often, its not particularly scriptural. But if a leader, or anyone has a real heart and love for Jesus and people, and will stand up for Him, they should really be commended by their siblings. Until then just do the work and encourage each other to be faithful to what really matters, in all that you do, including the crazy programs. And while we're dumb dodos, and God laughs and hates our programmatic boxes, we put Him in, and each other in, He can find a way to work in them, because He is a humble guy, familiar with stupid humans, who reject their creator and think they're God till their last dying breath. But be warned, lock God out of your church, like an apostolic church did in scripture and He might just spew them out like vomit (the description in scripture).

42. Control of self can be given to another. This is one of the important points about idolatory, where a human actually hands control of themself to another thing. Community can also be such an idol, to be accepted, to be loved as if it is some magical solution. This is symptomatic in church swapping and hopping, which might go against Billy Graham and Spurgeon who urge folk, don't go to a good church, because you'll probably wreck it. They being well aware of the sin in ourselves and the institutions. So relativism might be inevitable because we may always be under the control of something. This something is described in scripture as the lust of the eyes, flesh and the pride of life. This doesn't mean pleasure is somehow evil or sin. God and the things God has made are gifts. What it means, is that we should be careful not to have lust- (excessive desire) for things other than God, including ourselves which might be pride. This point is emphasised through all scripture- love God with your all. The other principal is to love people as yourself and as God loves you. So lustless service for God, might be a good summary. Off course self and others are blessed in this. The point is made in another passage, very pertinent to our age. the love of money is the root of all evil. Money might be seen here as value attributed to things. But it is the love that is the issue. Love itself can be distorted by its focus, what it aims for. It is in God's hatred of lies, that people follow the lie that is not Him, but other things, that brings our condemnation, and need for grace and forgiveness from Him.

43. There is a great example of absolute truth and relativism. We have some people who have milked society for many years, in professions way over paid, what has recently been called mega salaries. Essentially they get more resources per capita for often doing very little work of social value. Then these people sometimes claim to be giving back later when they have made it. I suggest this is an example like the US used to be and hopefuly are not now. Where they would destroy a place, create a conflict by giving arms to a certain group for some personal gain and then come in later as the saviour, Big Brother Saviour. Yes there are many rooms in heaven, the "biggest one's" maybe for the eunuchs according to the bible's reward system. We have people in churches who have played the system for years, building their little nest egg, sometimes whole families adding to this pattern. Then after they have milked it, with their excessive salaries, want to give back supposedly. Only problem is, their megasalaries were stealing money from other people, taking the work that they could have had, the work that maybe they should be given as a right, because the bible commands it. But no we serve the world, now claiming we bring heaven to earth, claiming we don't need God's heaven, dethroning God in the process, as if we are heaven and people are discipled to them, after stealing from the poor to give to themselves for so many years. Have the rich leaders repented ? Its hard to repent when everyone's patting you on the back. Thankfully we have a Robin Hood God, and the real many rooms in heaven might be reserved for those who faithfully followed Christ, not following the idol of money, meaning they became homeless and destitute, because they'd rather serve their God than money and false reputation, avoiding the falseness of the respectable, usually evident in their history of lacking integrity and hiding their faith. And the rich people, with all the money and clapping, doing their special mission, mock God's economics, misusing funds for show, as if doing programs makes them better, while the real workers starve, including their God Jesus, who sits outside in the cold, waiting for some love and with plenty to give, they mock their God. And the greatest mockery is when they call their usary for ego and advantage, God's providence, when their repeated cycles of sin against God and the gifted ones, brought them there. So we have the relativism, that this is great because it seems to get glory for a name and certain individuals, who are actually out of touch with real needs and the community. The absolute truth is they steal from the poor to fill their coffers and still do. They cause the problem they supposedly want to fix, and continue to justify themselves. The oppressors have power on their side. Its what the bible says, same in the church. Fortunately God raises the weak, the heavy laden, despite the money going to the schemers.

44. Does God treat everyone as an individual ? If He does, does that mean He reinforces their relativism ? God does treat everyone as an individual. This is seen in His attention to unique detail, knowing the number of hairs on our head, which is always different. Also the sense of everyone having a unique function in the church, shows that oneness does not mean monoculture, monoritual or monoway, despite collectively forming one body, the church. Sometimes He creates difference to take control, as unity sometimes turns people from Him. At other times, He uses unity to create diversity in contrast to something else, like Israel and the world, light and darkness, righteousness and sin. Yes at times He reinforces their relativism, but this still always has links to Him, maybe because He can be understood in so many ways, form the light of the world, to the lamb, to the blood of Christ, to the literal presence of His Son Jesus as a God-human. All different images, all the same person. And even then, the unity or oneness of the Trinity, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all these point to individuals with unique functions and even unique actions, yet unified in one nature and purpose, love, as the scripture says, God is love. In this understanding personal relativism and absolute truth might co-exist. Glued together with the reality of personal presence (even when divided), coordinated purpose and one core nature, all of these modelled and defined by God in all Yahweh's manifestations.

45. Love as absolute truth, is a nature that serves another, looks out for another's needs, that rejoices in the truth, which is not necessarily knowledge, which puffs up, love instead builds up. The Spirit's fruit also includes love. This creates a complex picture. So what we have is maybe: the absolute love of the Spirit within, transforming the self to be relative to it, to be relative to another's needs, following the absolute loving nature of Christ, which He is relative to, because it is Him (maybe the perfect "relative-absolute truth").

46. God's love is the perfect-absolute-relative truth

47. God allows some things to be relative and some things to be absolute. This can also be tricky. Who we are attracted to, for example, might be something that is personally relative. Even here there are problems. The bible provides examples of model relationships and imperfect relationships, that God works for good. Proverbs 31:10-31 describes a wife of noble character. It suggests she is one to be looked for. Are we to make our taste relative to this ? It says charm is deceptive and beauty fleeting, but a woman who trusts in the Lord is to be praised. Then we have the some of the writer Solomon, who writes about pomegranate breasts and other scripture that talks of rejoice in the wife of your youth- it shows God is blessing you, but then it also says, honor your father and mother. Rarely will they tell you to get married quickly ! What are we supposed to be relative to then ? Are we to be in "self denial," because we may not be attracted to someone. No, Paul says, it is better to marry than to burn with passion, so does this mean we are to give into our passions which are personally relative/relativistic, be that to passion itself ?

Maybe not, there is much prescription about how a person should treat their partner. Yet this prescription might be based in what love should already be, only with added benefits of family and sexual oneness. And this is certainly relative to one's partner's needs, not one's own.

Yet he also says: stay as you were, because a single person has less trouble. Yeah marriage is hard and can interfere with God's work- why maybe the Timothy passage on overseers, where it says, "must be the husband of one wife" is talking about polygamy not a prescription to be wed, irrespective of the next passage of managing his family, which seems not a prescription, but a sign if he has a family, see: 1 Timothy 3.

48. Law is an interesting case. was talking to a friend the other day, who says many Jews ignore a country's law, because they have a superior law- God's law. In as ense they choose to be realtive to this as their absolute truth. A famous reformed but cool music writer in Sydney, said, God doesn't care about human law, He cares that His laws are followed, this is all that we will be judged on. I have taken the Galatians 5:22 bit "against such there is no law," to mean that if one is in God's law of love, there is no "valid or legitimate law," that can oppose you. It is easy maybe to see a law that is real and a false one by its oppression and service of the person. Also maybe an indicator of whether a leader is really from God or not too, or at least led of God. This is pictured simply, in the notion of rights and what in Australia we call the underdog. Coincidentally, just before the passage on the noble wife, comes a passage on rights.

Proverbs 31:4-9 says: It is not for kings, o Lemuel, not for kings to drink wine, not for rulers to crave beer, lest they drink and forget what the law decrees, and deprive all the oppressed of their rights. Give beer to those who are perishing (morphine today maybe : | ) wine to those who are in anguish (antidepressants ? ); let them drink and forget their poverty and remember their misery no more.

"Speak up for those who cannot speak for themselves, for the rights of all who are destitute. Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy." Yes people have rights in the world, under God. Even Paul speaks of the rights of an apostle. God definitely judges those (including leaders) who do not provide for others (their rights under God), and this to hell as seen in the passage, "as much as you have done it to the very least of my brethren, so you did it unto me (Jesus). In churches we need to be careful, that we do not favor leaders, especially when they oppress or seek self glory and position, including ministry superiority which may actually be a form of this. This is clear in 1 Timothy 3:6, where Paul advises Timothy about overseers: "He must not be a recent convert, or he may become conceited and fall under the judgment of the devil." Conceit in "leadership = same judgment as the devil, for all those superior, up themselves people ! Yet in "Passing the Batton," many successes spoken of, involved recent converts to the faith, and the conceit is clear in many of these, from personal experience. There is something to be said for elders being elders, they usually know a bit more and have seen this being applied situationally. 2 Timothy says to"flee the evil desires of youth, and pursue righteousness, faith, love and peace, along with those (assume others) who call on the Lord out of a pure heart.

Law is relative to God's love in people, it is a thing dependent on heart, manifest in the rights of God and people, portrayed dramatically, where Jesus even embodies himself as the least. Proverbs suggests, to provide needs, including happiness and joy and justice for the oppressed, weak and those who cannot speak for themselves. It is a terrible thing when we suppress and oppress the voice or rights of someone who cannot speak for themself. How often does this happen in churches and the world, this needs to change. Law is also not made for the righteous (who might live according to a Spirit transformed heart and conscience), but for lawbreakers and rebels the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious (1 Timothy 1:9). Law can then be understood to be relative to the sinner, such that the purpose of law is to contain and correct sin, not a prescription to act. It is after the act, not before. This suggests then that law is secondary to a person's nature. Love comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and sincere faith. This might oppose other scripture that says to keep the law in your head effectively to get to your heart, the Spirit works in reverse maybe, though the Sword of the Spirit is still the Word of God. On entry, the Spirit gives one love with the all, body, mind, soul. When we live according to it, we have untethered love and freedom from a corrupting interfering self, which seeks its own. So in a sense, the heart might be an absolute truth, which when followed makes us relative to God and self, who co-inhabits the body with/in self. I explained this the other day. If sin is giving the finger to God, this also means giving the finger to the self, God's Spirit who lives within (co-inhabits) the sincere believer.

If we are relative to Jesus, Jesus rebukes the pharisees, saying, you have neglected the the more important matters of the law- justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter without neglecting the former.

A last word is about tradition and law, being relative to what you were taught and rituals from another even. Jesus quotes Isaiah about the Pharisees, stating: "These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men." This is apparent in a church, where "community" has become idolatory, being spoken of, more than Jesus. These teachings are rules taught by men and will most probably turn people from Jesus, to a false idol of institutional pride. Community for the sake of community is sin, a state of love, is the only true shalom (peace). While some Christians think they are making people good or they are lights to others (through their works), the bible actually says that the Gentiles, when they do what is right by nature, are a law to themselves. Law is again not about prescription but its outcomes and purpose. This must make us question prescriptive law. It also shows that the light the scripture speaks of is not them being special by works, yet even then, it is the goodness in these "gentiles," that might relate to the works of the church.

49. If sin is giving the finger to God, this also means giving the finger to the self, God's Spirit who lives within the sincere believer.

50. Reality is relative to both absolute truth and relativism. Reality is the absolute truth, the heart and will of God, its relativism, is in how this manifests in our ways and walk. A real believer (in reality), reveals where they stand before God, in sticking up for His truth, according to God's Spirit, in the person and the Spirit's work through scripture. So their reality is situational, in action. The believer is also instructed to examine themself, to see whether they are in the faith. We can know ourselves, and are urged to be true to ourselves. So reality can be personally discerned through one's relativism, discerned though, maybe through a filter of external absolute truth. The assumption is that this is acted on, and even this is thought to be Spiritual, such that "God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and of self- discipline" (2 Timothy 1:7). So this guidance by the Spirit, seen as working through self examination, is the guide to whether a person's relativism is centred on God or something else. This might conform to Jesus' description of the Holy Spirit's role as part of the trinity:

The Spirit will:
> (John 14:26) ...teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The Holy Spirit is actually the measure of reality and inspirer of reality, pointing to Jesus Christ. This is the best evidence and experience of an absolute eternal truth, which is also internal relativism, both to reality. But someone will say, there is no one and only reality or absolute truth.

The answer must be a question: [ : ) ] Which absolute truth did you derive your absolute truth expressed in that opinion, that your supposed relativism is relative to that ?


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